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Post by Jeremy on Apr 14, 2017 5:25:06 GMT -8
I think I fall on J.C's side here. Although the brainwashing episodes had a few amusing moments.
"Inside Out" is pretty terrible for many reasons, although to the episode's credit, it took me two viewings to grasp the majority of them.
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Post by Quiara on Apr 14, 2017 6:30:41 GMT -8
Like. I don't know, maybe I'm a real sucker for these sorts of plots. But I'm just watching these episodes with a huge grin on my face.
Part of it is that after a season full of awful unthreatening villains who are all talk and no bite, we finally have a villain who is no talk and all bite. Well, bite's not the right word here.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Apr 14, 2017 9:21:08 GMT -8
Wow "Shiny Happy People" was great!!! It's incredible how making Fred the protagonist and leaving Cordy totally comatose somehow _improved_ the show??? Or maybe it's just residual Gina Torres. Luuuuuuv Gina Torres. Really? I hated every episode from "Inside Out" to "Peace Out". Different strokes I guess. I thought the whole conflict was cheesy and boring.
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Post by Quiara on Apr 14, 2017 15:39:18 GMT -8
Wow "Shiny Happy People" was great!!! It's incredible how making Fred the protagonist and leaving Cordy totally comatose somehow _improved_ the show??? Or maybe it's just residual Gina Torres. Luuuuuuv Gina Torres. Really? I hated every episode from "Inside Out" to "Peace Out". Different strokes I guess. I thought the whole conflict was cheesy and boring. That's just it, though, I'm liking that there's a conflict that's not just averting a nonsensical apocalypse. Jasmine is actually kind of terrifying, in a good way, I mean.
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Post by ThirdMan on Apr 14, 2017 16:40:51 GMT -8
That's just it, though, I'm liking that there's a conflict that's not just averting a nonsensical apocalypse. Jasmine is actually kind of terrifying, in a good way, I mean. I think the premise was fine. It just felt very one-note, is all.
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Post by Quiara on Apr 14, 2017 21:08:10 GMT -8
"I ate them."
(beat)
"Cool."
Not gonna lie. "The Magic Bullet" was kind of great. It certainly radiates Whedon-- obviously you have Torres getting to show off her gratuitous Chinese a la Firefly, and the mind control/conspiracy thriller aspects seem like a dress rehearsal for Dollhouse. But the opening shot, where we pan down from the sunny California outdoor shots through the earth and into the terrible earthen subconscious of the city is a clear reversal of the famous shot from "Welcome to the Hellmouth." Getting some real Childhood's End vibes here, too, with a side dose of "Black Hole Sun." Everything that interests me in one package.
There are obvious obvious plot holes (here's an obvious one: why do Fred and Angel need to see Jasmine's maggot face to stop believing in her, when the rest of the Fang Gang stops believing instantaneously without even catching a glimpse of her?) but I think those are niggles compared to the good stuff.
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Post by Quiara on Apr 14, 2017 21:51:41 GMT -8
Wait, shit, spoke too soon. "Sacrifice" was awful
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Post by Jeremy on Apr 15, 2017 20:08:55 GMT -8
There are obvious obvious plot holes (here's an obvious one: why do Fred and Angel need to see Jasmine's maggot face to stop believing in her, when the rest of the Fang Gang stops believing instantaneously without even catching a glimpse of her?) Yes! Glad I'm not the only person who was bugged by this.
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Post by Quiara on Apr 17, 2017 21:55:03 GMT -8
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Did "Home" do what I think it just did!?
Could I have just skipped straight to season five and not have suffered through the past 44 episodes of this shit!?!?
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Post by Noah on Apr 18, 2017 7:56:39 GMT -8
... Did "Home" do what I think it just did!? Could I have just skipped straight to season five and not have suffered through the past 44 episodes of this shit!?!? I don't know. What do you think it did?
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Apr 18, 2017 8:05:15 GMT -8
But, whatever it did, you agree that "Home" was excellent right?
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Post by Quiara on Apr 18, 2017 8:57:24 GMT -8
... Did "Home" do what I think it just did!? Could I have just skipped straight to season five and not have suffered through the past 44 episodes of this shit!?!? I don't know. What do you think it did? Did "Home" completely undo the past two seasons of the show, in a tacit admission that the only way to make Angel watchable again was to retcon out everything since "Offspring" ? They're certainly not wrong. It's just slightly infuriating that I could have skipped straight to season five with no consequences.
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Post by Noah on Apr 18, 2017 9:40:42 GMT -8
Ah, well in that case, no you couldn't have skipped seasons 3 and 4. As Spike says, magic always has consequences. Always. Besides, the first half of season 5 is (in my opinion) by far the worst stretch of the show, with the second half being the best. Skipping to it wouldn't have avoided the worst parts of Angel.
And Home wouldn't have made any sense without the previous two seasons. And Home is brilliant.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Apr 18, 2017 10:18:39 GMT -8
Ah, well in that case, no you couldn't have skipped seasons 3 and 4. As Spike says, magic always has consequences. Always. Besides, the first half of season 5 is (in my opinion) by far the worst stretch of the show, with the second half being the best. Skipping to it wouldn't have avoided the worst parts of Angel. And Home wouldn't have made any sense without the previous two seasons. And Home is brilliant. Everything that Noah said is true, except I think the Jasmine arc and much of Season 3 is worse, because they are so freaking boring!!! The first half of Season 5 isn't great, but I thought it was entertaining at least (except for "The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco". That one's bad.) Basically Bosc Quiara, I think you're through the worst of it.
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Post by Quiara on Apr 18, 2017 10:23:55 GMT -8
Ah, well in that case, no you couldn't have skipped seasons 3 and 4. As Spike says, magic always has consequences. Always. Besides, the first half of season 5 is (in my opinion) by far the worst stretch of the show, with the second half being the best. Skipping to it wouldn't have avoided the worst parts of Angel. And Home wouldn't have made any sense without the previous two seasons. And Home is brilliant. Brilliant is... pushing it. Lilah is a treat. The Connor material was good. And there's a fun irony in Angel fighting for free will before utterly degrading his colleagues' free will, even though that's kind of undercut by playing it as a twist, leaving no time for the actual mechanics of what he did to be elucidated in any meaningful way (e.g., do they remember Cordelia? Jasmine? Is this like a reverse Dawn? etc) which is kind of important. But it's the most obvious piece-moving episode in a season that is literally just piece-moving episodes about piece-moving.
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