Quiara
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Post by Quiara on Sept 11, 2018 17:41:03 GMT -8
Man, New York politics and television are too intertwined these days. Can't we all just talk about the Mets instead? I mean, Keith Hernandez couldn't possibly be involved in any weird head-hurty political drama that oh ok never mind
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 11, 2018 18:00:27 GMT -8
I laughed at California for years because of how often it seemed to intertwine acting and politics (Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Eastwood, etc). But it looks like celebrity politicians have now found their way to our coast. Things will only get weirder from here, I imagine.
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 12, 2018 6:39:57 GMT -8
Incidentally, I did actually finish Sex and the City a few weeks ago. It's one of the only shows I can think of where a change in showrunner actually improved the series overall. Starting with Season Four (when Darren Star was replaced by Michael Patrick King), the show begins to take on more serious long-term arcs, and dials back somewhat on the gross-out humor. It's not a brilliant show (and Carrie Bradshaw is quite a boring lead), but I'm glad I stuck around to see it improve.
Haven't seen the two movies, although I've heard they're quite bad.
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 13, 2018 19:17:09 GMT -8
Well, so much for Governor Miranda (she'll still be on the November ballot as the WFP candidate, but that's a definite long-shot).
Maybe NY politics can return to being boring!
Oh, wait - that Keith Hernandez lady...
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Quiara
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Post by Quiara on Sept 13, 2018 19:52:09 GMT -8
Actually, I'm kinda perplexed by Salazar's victory not so much because of the "might have boned Keith Hernandez" factor but because of the whole "lying about her Sephardic heritage" thing. I mean, running as a Jewish leftist and then getting outed as a Christian crusader for the religious right probably should have killed her political ambitions in NYC. At least, that's what my shiksa ass would have thought. Am I wrong?
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 13, 2018 20:10:23 GMT -8
The entire Salazar controversy was just too ridiculous for words. Lying about her religion (and immigration status, and economic background, etc.) would have torpedoed a candidate in more ordinary times. But she's clearly no longer a conservative, and the media has touted her as another Ocasio-Cortez, and that was apparently enough to let voters overlook her flaws. It probably also helps that her district wasn't heavily Jewish (or at least, doesn't have a lot of Jewish Democrats).
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Post by otherscott on Sept 28, 2018 18:46:46 GMT -8
Westworld is a tremendous show. It has beautiful visuals, incredibly creative and surprising ideas, and it manages to pull you into its world and keep you engaged and moving along with what’s happening. In addition there’s nothing else on TV anything close to similar to it. I think the pros of this show have to be clearly and firmly stated, because if you just focus on the flaws you may find yourself thinking it’s a terrible show. It is not, it’s very good.
But man, those flaws. The show is often nonsensical and has things happen for “reasons”. Plus it has maybe 3 interesting characters and one interesting guest star in a main cast of nearly 20 people, which is a terrible ratio. The things most shows really strive to do well, Westworld just puts on the backburner to focus on other things.
It’s incredibly weird that it does that, and if you treat it like a traditional show and have traditional expectations then you are going to be severely disappointed. But if you just appreciate the overall experience and try to put yourself on the level of the show the best you can, you can appreciate that there’s something special here.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Sept 30, 2018 12:50:59 GMT -8
Westworld is a tremendous show. It has beautiful visuals, incredibly creative and surprising ideas, and it manages to pull you into its world and keep you engaged and moving along with what’s happening. In addition there’s nothing else on TV anything close to similar to it. I think the pros of this show have to be clearly and firmly stated, because if you just focus on the flaws you may find yourself thinking it’s a terrible show. It is not, it’s very good. But man, those flaws. The show is often nonsensical and has things happen for “reasons”. Plus it has maybe 3 interesting characters and one interesting guest star in a main cast of nearly 20 people, which is a terrible ratio. The things most shows really strive to do well, Westworld just puts on the backburner to focus on other things. It’s incredibly weird that it does that, and if you treat it like a traditional show and have traditional expectations then you are going to be severely disappointed. But if you just appreciate the overall experience and try to put yourself on the level of the show the best you can, you can appreciate that there’s something special here. I feel like the network restrictions imposed on Person of Interest might have played to Jonathan Nolan's strengths more. It had some weak episodes, but also well developed characters and episodes that were simply phenomenal- Westworld might not produce anything as bland as "Mission Creep", but it will probably never produce "The Devil's Share".
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Post by ThirdMan on Sept 30, 2018 16:11:28 GMT -8
Did you guys know that CHRISTOPHER Nolan's full name is Christopher Jonathan James Nolan? That would be in no way confusing...heh.
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Post by otherscott on Oct 12, 2018 5:59:44 GMT -8
Sharp Objects is a very solid show. It starts very slow and kind of builds over the first 6 episodes, each episode deepening your understanding of the people involved and drawing you in. Without even realizing it you become more and more invested in the people and the story, even though they aren't the most sympathetic of characters.
If I had any complaints, it's more about the Southern Gothic format than the show itself. The show does such a good job tying an individual story to "this could be any small town" in the first few episodes, and then just lets things get very weird and horrific and almost fantastical in the last couple episodes, which sort of undermines the strengths the show had up to that that point. Which isn't to say the last couple episodes are bad, they are very engaging and effective in portraying the horror of the situation, it just changed how I felt about the overall product and probably lessened my enjoyment of the whole.
I hate spending more time on complaints than actual positives for good shows. This was a very good slow burn show that was right up my alley. Marti Noxon continues to be terrific and once again justifies her position as my favourite Buffy writer.
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Post by Jeremy on Dec 27, 2018 8:04:43 GMT -8
I changed the title of this thread to be something less egocentric. I do have moments of humility, after all.
Anyway, Sharp Objects. This is a very well-made show that starts out as a run-of-the-mill murder mystery and slowly develops into something of a horror drama. The transition, much like the pace, is pretty slow, which is problematic in the early going - but eventually, as the story starts to come together and take a few unexpected twists, the reasons for the leisurely feel become more apparent. It comes together nicely, and there's some good commentary on smalltown America along the way.
Sometimes the edits can be jarring, and much as I approve of the "show, don't tell" philosophy, the series doesn't always show key information all that clearly. (Particularly a problem during the finale's big reveal.) But it's a very solid show all around. And Amy Adams is excellent, as usual.
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Post by otherscott on Jan 18, 2019 7:33:20 GMT -8
Deadwood S1 is really two different shows with a very clear dividing point. Each of those shows has pretty much opposite strengths and weaknesses.
Episodes 1-4 prominently feature Keith Carradine as Wild Bill Hickok, and the show has lots of narrative momentum and a propulsive plot. It's an exciting watch. The main weakness becomes that you don't really have a good feel for the direction or what the show is trying to do except be an exciting and watchable Western. Then from episodes 5 onwards, the show starts to show you exactly what it is and what it's doing. The only problem is that for much of that stretch, it completely loses that narrative momentum that defined it in the early going.
The show is basically pulling a reverse Breaking Bad with Al Swearengen, by introducing him as a villain and then using external means to turn the audiences sympathies without actually changing who he is as a character. Which isn't to say that there's no character development here, but the season basically occurs over approximately 3 weeks to a month of time, so like in life that development is not going to be very clearly defined in that short period of time. The performance is terrific and it works wonders for the overall show, but the depth of it might not be as groundbreaking as it was at the time.
That being said the finale is terrific. It doesn't do much to retroactively lighten up the previous time spent in the show, as the main point of conflict in the finale is something that was introduced late and was maybe a D story up to that point, but it does produce an excellent and well structured episode.
Also, Doc Cochran is one of my new favourite characters.
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Post by Jeremy on Jan 18, 2019 13:05:46 GMT -8
Scott, are you pointing out flaws in the greatest TV drama of all time? This distresses me.
That said, I think I see where you're coming from. Milch and HBO were originally split on how long Wild Bill Hicock in the series - Milch wanted him for the pilot only, while HBO wanted to sign Carradine (arguably the show's biggest star at the time of the premiere) for a full season. They ended up splitting the difference, which worked to the early episodes' advantage, but left the series without a clear status quo beyond that.
But honestly, I think that works to the show's advantage. As has been widely noted, Milch and co. essentially made up the whole series as they went along, which leads to some chaotic and at times convoluted storytelling, but also to some of the rawest, most honest character drama ever put on television. This show doesn't follow the template of The Wire (which mapped out full seasons beforehand) or The Sopranos (which set up traditional arcs, then delighted in subverting them). It just did whatever it felt like at any given moment, which allowed it to find beauty and excellence in the most unexpected places. (The finale, as you note, is a great example of this - although in some ways, the season's penultimate episode is even better.)
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Post by otherscott on Jan 18, 2019 15:16:51 GMT -8
I think the second last episode is pretty solid, but I think most of the episodes fall into the category of pretty solid. The antepenultimate episode with Mr. Wu was also very good.
It could be part of my problem is that I expected the overall show to have more of a throughline than it actually did. As you say, it just does what it wants whenever it wants, which can definitely be unpredictable but it’s also hard to find a real rhythm in the same way a show like Breaking Bad or even Mad Men can.
Keep in mind I’m not saying this isn’t a great show in any way, shape or form, but my initial experience is a little more middling than I would have expected. Probably due to expectations more than the show. I also felt similar about Sopranos S1 and came around eventually.
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Post by Jeremy on Jan 19, 2019 15:23:44 GMT -8
I hear that. I think you may find more to like in Season Two, which is also a strong season in its own right. (Just don't expect Anna Gunn's role to be as memorable as Skylar.)
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