PBTD
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Post by PBTD on Jul 24, 2018 21:34:28 GMT -8
What sequel would you say builds on its predecessors other than the Captain America sequels? The Iron Man sequels are anywhere from abysmal let's-sell-this-universe commercials (Iron Man 2) to overly melodramatic-and-at-times-tone-deaf with a little unnecessary twist sprinkled on top (Iron Man 3). Thor 2 is just... Thor 2 and I wasn't as thrilled with Thor: Ragnarok as most (it never rose above just being admittedly humorous yet still filler especially since they treated the near extinction of Thor's people as somewhat of a joke in order to get around Thor having to actually cope with his loss). Guardians 2 is almost universally considered weaker than the original (although not being high on the original myself, I'm indifferent to which is better) and Avengers 2 is by and large the worst of the three and I could argue Avengers 1 is still greater than Infinity War (not saying it is, but it does do enough to warrant the argument).
I'm still of the perception that the MCU is greater than the sum of its parts. I'm actually not a huge fan of most of the films, yet the universe itself is just so fascinating. It's probably more the phenomenon its become and how long it's lasted than anything else, and of course the occasional great film (mostly the Russo films, the original Iron Man and Avengers though I have yet to see Black Panther)
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 25, 2018 5:16:57 GMT -8
I believe you just answered your own question - the sequels work best when they build on the original; unfortunately, not all of them do. (Although I believe I have a higher opinion of some of those sequels than you do.)
I think the MCU has, on the whole, improved over time, with each Phase being better than the last. One area in which the films have lately gotten better is with its villains, who are more nuanced than they were in previous films. For a long time, the only really good MCU baddie was Loki; in the past year or so, characters like Vulture, Hela, Killmonger, Klaw, Ghost, and of course Thanos have proven that villains can be just as compelling as the heroes they fight.
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 5, 2018 15:25:40 GMT -8
Season Two of Iron Fist is getting a much warmer response from the critics than Season One, indicating that a showrunner swap was the right idea. (Making the season 10 episodes long instead of 13 doesn't hurt, either.) Lots of praise is going to Alice Eve for her Orphan Black-style performance as Typhoid Mary. I never got around to starting Season One, and still not sure if I'm convinced enough to do so. But I'm glad that the Netflix/Marvel shows seem willing to learn from their errors. On an unrelated note, I am officially excited for Captain Marvel.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Sept 6, 2018 6:54:03 GMT -8
Season Two of Iron Fist is getting a much warmer response from the critics than Season One, indicating that a showrunner swap was the right idea. (Making the season 10 episodes long instead of 13 doesn't hurt, either.) Lots of praise is going to Alice Eve for her Orphan Black-style performance as Typhoid Mary. I never got around to starting Season One, and still not sure if I'm convinced enough to do so. But I'm glad that the Netflix/Marvel shows seem willing to learn from their errors. On an unrelated note, I am officially excited for Captain Marvel. I'm not surprised that it improved. But, I'm completely soured on Marvel Netflix at this point. Almost all of them are incredibly, bland, monotonous, sluggishly paced, and excruciatingly boring.
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 6, 2018 11:48:37 GMT -8
I like how Matt Zoller Seitz described the new season: "Iron Fist season two is an improvement on Iron Fist season one in the way that stubbing your toe is an improvement over jamming your finger in a car door."
I've also tired of the Marvel Netflix shows - Jessica Jones remains the only one I'm still watching, and even that series is rife with flaws. Ironic how Agents of SHIELD has now become more acclaimed than any of the Netflix shows.
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 3, 2018 13:20:02 GMT -8
So, is Venom technically a part of the MCU?
Sony seems to think it is, but Marvel Studios is a firm "no." (Justifiably, if the reviews are to be believed.)
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Oct 3, 2018 17:22:54 GMT -8
So, is Venom technically a part of the MCU? Sony seems to think it is, but Marvel Studios is a firm "no." (Justifiably, if the reviews are to be believed.) DC and Sony are seemingly incapable of making even competent superhero movies ( Wonder Woman aside).
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Post by otherscott on Oct 3, 2018 18:14:16 GMT -8
DC and Sony are seemingly incapable of making even competent superhero movies ( Wonder Woman aside). Hey, don't insult those first two original Spiderman movies. Spiderman 2 is legitimately still a top 5 superhero movie.
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Post by Jay on Oct 3, 2018 18:18:21 GMT -8
relevant
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 3, 2018 18:41:57 GMT -8
Spider-Man 2 is still one of my favorite superhero films (maybe not Top 5, but definitely Top 10). Still, it's become increasingly clear, with Spider-Man 3 and the Andrew Garfield non-franchise, that Sony really doesn't know what to with Spidey. He's the only superhero they own - having scooped up the rights about 20 years ago, back when no one expected comic-book movies to be this big - and they just want to keep him around for reboot after endless reboot. ( Into the Spider-Verse hits theaters in December!) Still, given that Spidey is their most reliable cash cow, can you blame them?
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Post by Zarnium on Oct 3, 2018 19:22:18 GMT -8
I really want this to be a real thing now.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Oct 4, 2018 5:43:06 GMT -8
DC and Sony are seemingly incapable of making even competent superhero movies ( Wonder Woman aside). Hey, don't insult those first two original Spiderman movies. Spiderman 2 is legitimately still a top 5 superhero movie. I agree. Spiderman 2 is still probably my favorite superhero movie.
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 5, 2018 9:19:41 GMT -8
I can now confirm that Venom is not a good movie. For those who wish to explore this statement further (whatever your reasons), here's my review.
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Post by Zarnium on Oct 5, 2018 18:38:19 GMT -8
I'm confused about what Sony actually still owns the rights to, and what Marvel/Disney owns the rights to, Spiderman-wise. Is Sony barred from using Spiderman himself now, and can only use the other characters? And would Marvel be able to use Venom, or does Sony own the rights to the villains?
Additionally, which major Spiderman villains are left who haven't been in a movie? Mysterio?
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Post by Jay on Oct 6, 2018 13:35:22 GMT -8
Mysterio was supposed to the the villain of 4 in the Sam Raimi series, had they gotten that far, and would have been played by Bruce Campbell. Further proof of the darkness of this timeline.
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