Quiara
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Post by Quiara on Jun 13, 2017 5:09:09 GMT -8
The Bells of Saint John was actually really fun. But my favorite thing about The Idiot's Lantern was that the antagonist was literally the BBC, which is just so joyfully perverse.
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Post by Zarnium on Jul 16, 2017 13:25:04 GMT -8
So the new Doctor is gonna be a woman? Cool! Also, doooooooon't read the comments.
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 16, 2017 14:10:12 GMT -8
Yep. Definitely don't read the comments.
Except the one I just posted on the CT Twitter page, 'cause that one's hilarious.
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Post by Quiara on Jul 16, 2017 14:25:24 GMT -8
I'm mostly curious how they're going to pull this off. And disappointed because I misread and thought that Forest Whitaker was going to take over the role, which would be Oh, and worried that if the new series ends up sucking because of Chibnall's incompetence at writing engaging science-fiction (as opposed to Broadchurch which is supposedly quite good), people will blame it on the female Doctor and not the writer.
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Post by Zarnium on Jul 16, 2017 14:37:52 GMT -8
Yes, I'm worried about that, too. Especially since New Who has always been of mixed quality anyway, so unless the bar is set three times as high it'll be railed for being ruined by feminism just for maintaining the current standard.
But I'm happy, I've been wanting a female or non-white doctor for a long time. They've made it a point to have other Time Lords switch gender and race before, no reason the star player can't or shouldn't.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Jul 16, 2017 14:44:06 GMT -8
I'm mostly curious how they're going to pull this off. And disappointed because I misread and thought that Forest Whitaker was going to take over the role, which would be Oh, and worried that if the new series ends up sucking because of Chibnall's incompetence at writing engaging science-fiction (as opposed to Broadchurch which is supposedly quite good), people will blame it on the female Doctor and not the writer. I'm really optimistic. Running Doctor Who and writing episodes for Doctor Who are two different beasts (RTD and Moffat both excelled at one, not so much at the other). Chibnal has proven himself more than capable as a showrunner (Broadchurch as you already mentioned), and a writer of "engaging science-fiction" ("Kiss Kiss Bang Bang", "Adrift", "Fragments", "Exit Wounds"). I'm also sure he's grown as a writer since he last wrote for Who back in 2012. And Jodie Whittaker looks fantastic already. (hoping that hoodie isn't her costume though). The more I think about her as the Doctor, the more I think it'll work.
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Post by Zarnium on Jul 17, 2017 4:52:23 GMT -8
I don't know anything about Chibnall, but I'm glad Moffat is stepping down. I don't think he's a very good showrunner, and my enjoyment of his shows is largely in spite of his influence. He just has too many quirks and recurring pet concepts that irritate me, like trying to recreate "Blink" three times a season.
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Post by guttersnipe on Jul 17, 2017 10:29:28 GMT -8
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Post by Quiara on Jul 17, 2017 11:12:11 GMT -8
Man, I'm totally using this as an avatar somewhere.
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 17, 2017 14:27:57 GMT -8
That article reminds me of the time that Deadline published a piece about how television is becoming too ethnically diverse. The article was, em, controversial.
I do think the Daily Mail author raises an interesting point about the hypocrisy of male-to-female salaries (although I haven't verified the statistics he uses), but I do wish people would stop crying "PC culture!" at any and every opportunity.
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Post by Zarnium on Jul 17, 2017 14:43:05 GMT -8
What's most absurd about this is that it's based on just the announcement of a female Doctor and a one-minute teaser where nothing happens. Like, sure, it's logically possible that the show could become bogged down in feminist speechifying to its detriment. "The Zygon Invasion" from season 9 featured a bunch of really terrible refugee subtext and was just a crap episode generally, so that sort of thing is not unheard of on Who. But we'll have to wait until the show is actually out to determine if that's the case, because there's nothing to form an opinion on yet.
And yeah, there probably will be a sub-par girl-power episode or two. That won't necessarily mean that the show or season will be ruined as a whole.
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 17, 2017 14:56:20 GMT -8
And what the heck. I haven't watched a Doctor Who episode in years, but I'm actually curious to see how they handle this. I may check out the upcoming Christmas special, at least.
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Post by Zarnium on Jul 18, 2017 5:05:15 GMT -8
So, I thought that that Jeremy's "Nurse Who" tweet was funny, but now it turns out that #nursewho has become an actual rallying cry for the detractors. That was fast!
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Post by guttersnipe on Jul 18, 2017 10:36:11 GMT -8
That article reminds me of the time that Deadline published a piece about how television is becoming too ethnically diverse. The article was, em, controversial. I do think the Daily Mail author raises an interesting point about the hypocrisy of male-to-female salaries (although I haven't verified the statistics he uses), but I do wish people would stop crying "PC culture!" at any and every opportunity. The layout of the artcile is standard MO for The Daily Mail: establish a reasonable point early on so it affords the writer free licence to pursue a frightfully archaic agenda. The very principle of change is kryptonite to this paper. In accordance with their typical prejudices, there's an article here from a few years back in defence of the 'Little Englander' mentality. My choice snippets: - "Yet though some may mourn the retreat from expensive continental tourism" - Expensive? I've travelled a fair bit, and believe me, I'm familiar with the fiscal difference between holidaying in the EU and outside of it. I can fly to Warsaw and back for less than £40!
- "For too long, Englishness has been mocked and scorned; for too long, the flag of St George has been hijacked by the thugs of the Far Right" - The Mail loves haranguing Germany for their actions seventy years ago, yet its founder was good mates with Hitler and Mussolini, and during the 30s the paper openly supported Nazi conquest. It's currently run by his great-grandson.
- "We may be obliged to carry tacky EU passports, but to most of us our European identity is relatively meaningless. A window cleaner from Wolverhampton has no more in common with a Greek fisherman than he does with a man from Timbuktu" - All foreigners are equally unwelcome.
- "These are the kind of metropolitan liberals who want school history lessons to concentrate on the evils of slavery" and "Teaching our national story from start to finish in a clear, accessible way, with a minimum of cringing and apologising, should be a priority" - As opposed to the cuddly aspect of colonisation.
- "But for too long we have wasted time, money and lives meddling in the affairs of others" - Unmistakably Conservative, the only party wishing to prolong the war in Syria.
- "Even now, the Coalition seems determined to lead the world in giving foreign aid, handing out almost £300 million a year to India, which is not only a nuclear power with its own space programme but gives away hundreds of millions of pounds in foreign aid itself" - Sorry, who invaded who?
A couple of weeks ago they published a very lengthy article in response to a Mail-bashing cartoon in The Guardian, quickly demonising the paper, the left in general, and young people.
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 18, 2017 14:42:51 GMT -8
So, I thought that that Jeremy's "Nurse Who" tweet was funny, but now it turns out that #nursewho has become an actual rallying cry for the detractors. That was fast! Ha! I'm going to take credit for that! ...On second thought, maybe I won't. The layout of the artcile is standard MO for The Daily Mail: establish a reasonable point early on so it affords the writer free licence to pursue a frightfully archaic agenda. The very principle of change is kryptonite to this paper. Hm. Sounds like a British version of the New York Post. Except without as many awful puns in the headlines. And perhaps slightly less trashy. (You may infer that I'm not a fan of the New York Post.)
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