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Post by Jeremy on Feb 7, 2018 10:37:54 GMT -8
So, in addition to current trilogy and the upcoming Rian Johnson trilogy (as well as a confirmed third standalone film in 2020), there will apparently be another series of Star Wars films produced by the Game of Thrones creators. And there will likely be multiple Star Wars TV shows on Disney's upcoming streaming service.
Looks like the studio is going to milk the Bantha until its udders run dry.
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Post by ThirdMan on Feb 7, 2018 16:38:19 GMT -8
BLUE MILK!
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Post by Jeremy on Feb 7, 2018 17:42:42 GMT -8
But on a more present note... the trailer for Solo looks pretty cool, doesn't it?
I mean, Star Wars doesn't exactly have a sterling reputation with prequels (Rogue One being more of a side-quel, not concerning the franchise's leads), and I kind of wish Lord and Miller had stayed with production, but any film with Phoebe Waller-Bridge playing a comic-relief droid has me rooting for it.
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Post by ThirdMan on Feb 7, 2018 17:55:03 GMT -8
The teaser I saw during the SuperBowl didn't have anything in it I found to be particularly objectionable, but it seems Film Twitter has decided that it's once again going to bash anything Star-Wars-related going forward. Which is funny, coming off (what I consider to be) the best Star Wars film in nearly 40 years. Oh, what a world, what a world.
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Post by Jeremy on Feb 7, 2018 18:28:51 GMT -8
Well, given that plenty of fans don't have nearly as high an opinion of The Last Jedi as we do (to put it mildly), I imagine some backlash at the Star Wars film arriving only a few months later was fairly inevitable.
(Or maybe people just aren't ready for a full Han Solo adventure. Those Force Awakens wounds are still fresh!)
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Post by ThirdMan on Feb 7, 2018 22:06:52 GMT -8
Maybe those "fans" finally had a moment of clarity, and realized that the Star Wars franchise, in general, is kind of lame.
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Nah, that would probably be too much to expect. Abrams will turn in another completely formulaic flick in a few years, and they'll be right back on board.
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Post by Jeremy on Feb 8, 2018 6:19:13 GMT -8
Whoa, whoa. What do you mean by saying the Star Wars franchise is "kind of lame"? I mean, if you ignore the prequel trilogy, and parts of the original trilogy, and the Clone Wars animated film, and the Ewoks TV series, and the Holiday Special, and I think I just answered my own question.
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Post by Jeremy on Mar 8, 2018 20:30:34 GMT -8
Yep, it's official - we're getting a Star Wars TV series! And it'll be produced by Obama's head speechwriter!
(...Or maybe by the director of Iron Man. They weren't entirely clear about that.)
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Post by Jeremy on May 25, 2018 14:03:58 GMT -8
I saw Solo, and have some thoughts - both on the film itself, and what it means for the future of the Star Wars franchise. Most of the review is spoiler-free, although I added a spoiler section at the end where I discuss the film in more detail. Clickety.
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Post by Jeremy on May 29, 2018 9:23:25 GMT -8
So... anyone else seen or plan to see the new movie? Or am I...
...SOLO?
(Actually, that wouldn't surprise me much. The film barely made $100 million over a four-day weekend, and most of the Internet clamor has been muted, apart from the obligatory Han/Lando fanfiction.)
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Post by PBTD on May 29, 2018 9:33:34 GMT -8
I'm not sure if you are aware of the indescribable backlash towards the direction of the franchise, Jeremy, though I suspect you are. Solo severely underperformed at the box office and I have no issue with that, boycotts or public outcry. Heck I don't even have an issue with fans wanting to be appeased by at least catering somewhat to the long-time original demographic (I'm a somewhat lenient believer that political pandering should be absent from fiction unless the piece is directly about such a topic since it hinders the creative process). However, I draw the line at publicly humiliating the individuals involved in the process and practically openly advocating male dominance over the franchise. I don't know what it is about certain franchises that drives people to this borderline savage behavior, but it's honestly extremely disturbing. I feel for their cause, but I disapprove of some of their methods and mentalities.
Did not see the film btw, sorry. Have not seen any of the Disney Star Wars films since I find the franchise to be lackluster. I'm just curious where you sit in all this.
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Post by Jeremy on May 29, 2018 10:24:06 GMT -8
Yeah, I discussed some of the fan backlash to The Last Jedi earlier in the thread. Suffice to say, it really doesn't impact my own feelings on the film (which I loved), but I do think it may have hindered Solo's chances at the box office. That, coupled with weak marketing and perhaps a general sense of Star Wars fatigue (the fourth film in 2.5 years), contributed to the weak opening performance.
I don't think advocacy for male-dominated films contributed to the problem, since Solo is thus far the most male-dominated of the new Star Wars films. Sexist backlash occurs a lot with nostalgia-tinged franchises (which is probably why Ghostbusters has received a lot more vitriol than Ocean's 8), but I don't think it was a problem in this case.
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Post by PBTD on May 29, 2018 14:51:20 GMT -8
There was a call for a boycott all over social media of Solo. Now most fans are attributing the so-called "bomb" of the film mostly to this. Basically, it's a boycott of the films all together. Believe me when I tell you that most are celebrating, at least the vocal ones, as there are dozens of videos on Youtube covering the event. They don't believe in the "fatigue" argument put forth by Disney, which was part of their initial response after the weekend flop.
The problem I have with the "fatigue" argument, although likely at least partially responsible, is that "fatigue" hasn't affected the MCU's earnings. Both Black Panther and Avengers: Infinity War made history despite the over saturation the last several years.
My thing is, having not seen the film, what is so bad about it? Aside from Luke's character apparently being mauled, they believe there is an SJW agenda at work, something that upsets them greatly apparently - with the outrage hitting critical mass after Lando was said to be a pansexual. I admit if it's ham-fisted it can become a distraction while trying to enjoy a film, but they've become a bit outlandish. Most are plastering Kathleen Kennedy on every thumbnail as though she is a plague on mankind.
I only ask you because I know you are a reasonable fan who's not above his criticisms and disappointments, yet doesn't allow it to get to the point you are cursing the name of whomever was at the helm at the time of a medium's dip in quality.
Some videos if you need more background, I just find these social backlashes interesting:
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Post by Jeremy on May 29, 2018 17:26:02 GMT -8
Well, one thing I've learned over my Internetting years is that the loudest and most obnoxious voices are very rarely "the majority." Sure, their videos seem to get a lot of views, but for every angry Star Wars backlash video, you can find at least two dozen middle-of-the-road vids taking a more pedestrian look at the franchise. (I've never even heard of the people behind the videos you've embedded - and confidentially, I don't think folks with "Bulls**t" in their title are all that credibly mainstream.)
There was a lot of backlash to The Last Jedi, but it was based far less on politics than on the film's storytelling choices, which angered many fans. And because Star Wars is one of the most popular film franchises in the world, the backlash was a bit louder than usual. (The saturation didn't help, either - at least Marvel offers some real visual and characterized variety between its films.)
The only time I recall the new Star Wars films intentionally stirring the political pot was when one of the Rogue One screenwriters tweeted out that the film was an allegory for the anti-Trump resistance. The comment angered many people, and briefly led to a #BoycottRogueOne trend, but - surprise! - the film still made a billion dollars.
Don't get me wrong - I'm no fan of political pandering, either. (I've harshly criticized Marvel Comics in recent years for their investment in mediocre, SJW-pandering series like America Chavez and World of Wakanda.) But I don't believe these self-satisfied, boycotting "fans" are having nearly the impact they think.
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Post by ThirdMan on May 29, 2018 19:53:41 GMT -8
Well, we'll see how the third film in the newest trilogy performs commercially before drawing any conclusions about such groups' influence on the box office. The middle installment in both of the previous trilogies made the least domestically, and this may very well be the case again here. I recall some pushback to the Rey character supposedly being a "Mary Sue" in TFA (too powerful, too resourceful, they said), but the backlash on TLJ was way out of proportion. I was kind of baffled by it all, to be honest.
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