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Post by Jay on Feb 11, 2021 11:54:17 GMT -8
I considered changing the board subtitle to "We're also sorry that Joss Whedon is in the news again" yesterday.
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Post by Jeremy on Feb 11, 2021 16:54:27 GMT -8
The board subtitle deserves more quirky love than I give it. Though perhaps not of the Whedon variety, anymore.
Really, the main lesson of this whole debacle is that we shouldn't automatically assume the best of someone just because he makes good TV and has friendly interactions with fans. Probably some of these actresses felt pressured against speaking up due to how popular and respected Whedon was in fan circles.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Feb 11, 2021 17:04:08 GMT -8
The board subtitle deserves more quirky love than I give it. Though perhaps not of the Whedon variety, anymore. Really, the main lesson of this whole debacle is that we shouldn't automatically assume the best of someone just because he makes good TV and has friendly interactions with fans. Probably some of these actresses felt pressured against speaking up due to how popular and respected Whedon was in fan circles. They did. I remember Sarah Michelle Gellar always spoke very highly of him. Yeah, there's no real link between someone making good tv and being a good person. Haven't heard anything like this from Vince Gilligan, Shawn Ryan, and many more.
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Post by ThirdMan on Feb 11, 2021 17:04:24 GMT -8
The real lesson is, don't engage in hero-worship of, well, anyone, but especially someone you don't know personally.
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Post by Jay on Feb 12, 2021 11:12:13 GMT -8
I'm more inclined to side with J.C. here and maybe even take it a step further in that experience, both personal and anecdotal ,has taught me that a lot of folks will vocally champion good causes either as a cover for their bad behaviour elsewhere or eventually as enabling of bad behaviour because they've bought into the narrative they created for themselves and there's no room for cognitive dissonance to slide in. For being an amateur graphomaniac, I trust words a lot less than people would think. Conduct is what counts.
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Post by Jeremy on Feb 12, 2021 12:53:45 GMT -8
Oh, I don't disagree with J.C. at all. Hero-worshipping of people you don't personally know is generally a bad idea, and we've already been let down multiple times in the past. Hollywood (and all entertainment venues, for that matter) has produced a lot of seemingly talented auteurs who have also turned out to be less-than-stellar people.
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Post by ThirdMan on Feb 13, 2021 13:38:20 GMT -8
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Post by otherscott on Feb 16, 2021 9:07:08 GMT -8
I think that is a great article. I think a lot of the discourse around abusers is backwards looking - focusing on the abuser rather than trying to change circumstances in which abuse can happen.
The difficulty with getting after the fact justice for abuse is it's too often a "he said she said" scenario with no other corroborating evidence, which is never enough (and I don't believe should be enough) to pass in a court of law, even though in the vast majority of cases I absolutely believe the accuser (like in the case of Kater Gordon with Matthew Weiner, who wrote my favourite TV show).
The effort on preventing these abuse cases can't be centered around justice of past cases, because that is difficult. It has to be around creating an environment where the opportunities for abuse are few and far between. And I like that the article addresses and comes up with suggestions for how to do that.
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