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Post by buffyholic on Mar 29, 2017 3:32:12 GMT -8
So, does anyone watch this show? This has a lot of flaws but for some reason, I just dismiss the flaws and inconsistencies because it just makes me smile (I end every episode with a huge grin on my face) and I find the characters so damn lovable. And on any other show, I would hate the romantic triangle aspect but in here, it doesn´t bother me.
Supergirl is without a doubt my guilty pleasure. I dislike Superman and the laser eyes, glasses and whatnots but in here, it doesn´t bother me.
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Post by Quiara on Mar 29, 2017 9:14:26 GMT -8
I feel sort of bad for this show because it's trying so hard to get me to like it and yet. I just refuse to watch a freakin' superhero show. Even one with unsubtle allegories for immigration anxiety and random guest spots for Dichen Lachman and four-part musical episodes.
(And yes, The Americans is basically a superhero show, but it's not part of a nexus of blockbusters about guys wearing capes beating up other guys wearing capes, or aliens, or alien guys wearing capes.)
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Post by Jeremy on Mar 29, 2017 9:43:29 GMT -8
I've been watching since it began. I like the show, and I think it's made some improvements in S2, although it's still uneven in spots. (I've long since accepted that it's difficult to properly translate the world of Superman to TV.)
Oh, and casting Teri Hatcher as a major villain is awesome on multiple levels.
Technically, the musical was only two parts. And only one episode was actually a musical. And it wasn't really that great.
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Post by Quiara on Mar 29, 2017 9:46:49 GMT -8
(I've long since accepted that it's difficult to properly translate the world of Superman to TV.) Why is that, though? I mean, you've suggested that Netflix is deliberately modeled after the episodic nature of comic book narratives. And there are plenty of shows that are optimistic fantasy built around an ubermensch, some of which you aren't currently four-point-five seasons into reviewing.
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Post by Jeremy on Mar 29, 2017 10:15:43 GMT -8
Well, Superman is not only an idealistic character, but a larger-than-life one as well. He's difficult to write for, both in terms of character and conflict, and plausibility is even more difficult in live-action storytelling. ("You will believe a man can fly.")
That's why past Superman shows have struggled with the character's archetypal persona. Adventures of Superboy and Smallville were at their best when the storylines grew dark and serious, because it put the character's positive outlook up against a harsh light. Lois and Clark was at its best when it focused on Superman from the perspective of Lois Lane (the series' more grounded, human half), and struggled in later seasons when it shifted more to MOTWs.
Supergirl follows this trajectory. It does a good job making its lead character human, while also making her believably "super." But it struggles tonally in trying to maintain the feel of an action series with that of a romantic comedy.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Mar 29, 2017 11:03:18 GMT -8
I watch all the CW shows live (don't look at me like that, I barely have any channels). None of them are great (Legends of Tomorrow is the closest), but this year, I've enjoyed Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow the most. However, I like this show as well. This season has been way better, but there is way too much Mon-El and forced romantic drama for my liking. And in terms of fun, Legends of Tomorrow has it beat by a long shot.
Really, the Flash episode is the one you're complaining about? The Supergirl part of the 'crossover' was one of the weakest of the season.
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Post by Jeremy on Mar 29, 2017 14:05:10 GMT -8
I didn't think the Supergirl episode was all that great, but it didn't come with bucketloads of hype. The Flash episode was built up for months as "the Arrowverse musical," and... it had a couple of fun songs, but it wasn't all that exciting beyond its concept. I was expecting more visual flair, as well as a canonical story.
I still haven't seen Legends of Tomorrow. Hearing good things about Season Two, though.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Mar 29, 2017 15:24:17 GMT -8
Good point. I liked "Duet" a fair bit more than you, probably because it felt so refreshing in comparison to the rest of the season, but you're right it had almost no plot to speak of.
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Post by ThirdMan on Mar 29, 2017 22:54:23 GMT -8
Yeah, though Benoist and Gustin have strong voices, that musical episode was a real missed opportunity. Mostly just a bunch of random covers, and the original song that Rachel Bloom co-wrote wasn't great, either.
Re: Supergirl in general, it's fine, but certainly very formulaic in nature. They're determined to have the major villains all be women, which is cool, but sometimes has the unfortunate side effect of rendering supporting male characters (like the one played by Kevin Sorbo) as more reasonable and mature (~bit more dimension) than their female conterparts (Hatcher's character).
I don't mind the Monel character. Yeah, his primary impulse is to try to protect his love interest, but that doesn't always need to be viewed through the prism of male chauvinism or whatnot. If he didn't have any superpowers, his getting involved in the action would be more questionable, but it seems a little forced that characters should try so hard to sideline him when he could absolutely be of assistance.
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Post by buffyholic on Mar 30, 2017 3:21:04 GMT -8
Do you think the move to the CW was beneficial? Because CW has already a reputation for a lot of romantic drama, melodrama and kinda dumbing down stuff to please a more broader audience. We see this with Arrow, unfortunately.
I´m asking because I am still on season 1.
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Post by ThirdMan on Mar 30, 2017 4:18:58 GMT -8
Do you think the move to the CW was beneficial? Because CW has already a reputation for a lot of romantic drama, melodrama and kinda dumbing down stuff to please a more broader audience. We see this with Arrow, unfortunately. I´m asking because I am still on season 1. I don't think it hurt the show whatsoever. Visual effects, in general, don't seem downgraded either.
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Post by Jeremy on Mar 30, 2017 5:43:29 GMT -8
If anything, the move to the CW improved the show. The CW has aired some pretty spectacular shows in the last few years. (Like iZombie! Which finally returns next week!)
I don't really fault them for Arrow, a show whose problems stem from a variety of non-network sources.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Mar 30, 2017 10:57:07 GMT -8
Do you think the move to the CW was beneficial? Because CW has already a reputation for a lot of romantic drama, melodrama and kinda dumbing down stuff to please a more broader audience. We see this with Arrow, unfortunately. I´m asking because I am still on season 1. Ey, Arrow Season 5 is way better than Supergirl Season 2 (which is definitely better than Season 1 btw). Though I have a feeling Supergirl would be the best show in existence if the Lex Luthors who run Warner Bros. would let them use Superman more.
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Post by Jeremy on May 25, 2017 4:04:32 GMT -8
So, are we going to spend the whole summer speculating who is in the rocket ship... again?
The Mon-El reveal made sense a year ago, since the character wasn't from Krypton. I'm racking my brain as to which Kryptonian villain the show plans to debut... unless it's one of the (many) names in the Phantom Zone.
Oh, and the rest of the finale was good too. Decent season overall, even though it was about 6 or 7 episodes too long.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on May 25, 2017 7:31:31 GMT -8
If they use Braniac or Lobo, it'll be an automatic 10/10.
I don't know about your criticism that it was 6 or 7 episodes too long is accurate. They barely had a storyline this season, the main threat wasn't even revealed until the end of episode 20, so in reality, it was like 13 episodes too long. But if the standalones had been stronger, then it wouldn't be a problem.
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