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Star Trek
Aug 4, 2018 20:08:14 GMT -8
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Post by Zarnium on Aug 4, 2018 20:08:14 GMT -8
Holy bejeezus! It's a miracle! Not only that Patrick Stewart will be back, but that the original continuity is being continued again after two prequels. Hopefully it's good. Then again, it can't get much worse than the TNG films, which already gave a terrible chronological end to the TNG era.
I wonder what has become of the Chris Pine movies, the alternate continuity seems to have been dropped in favor of the original.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Aug 4, 2018 21:11:46 GMT -8
Another Star Trek series has been announced! It will star Patrick Stewart as an older Jean-Luc Picard. This is not a joke. Nor is it a drill. It is an actual, serious happenstance. CBS All-Access is suddenly looking a bit lovelier, I don't mind admitting. So I guess Mike's avatar doesn't quite work anymore then. Also.......suddenly I might also have to get it. I have heard good things about The Good Fight as well....so maybe it'll be worth it? It's definitely not worth it for Discovery. Speaking of Discovery.......I watched a few more episodes...and it's awful. Generic action-heavy sci-fi with zero substance or interesting characterization. Even Voyager and Enterprise were better than this. Compared to DS9 it's just a complete joke.
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 5, 2018 5:06:28 GMT -8
I've heard a variety of reactions about Discovery, ranging from "It's the best Trek series in decades" to "God, I actually miss Enterprise." I've heard better things about The Good Fight - maybe I'll try checking out the first season of that show on DVD, to see if it's worth investing in. My issue is still that CBS All-Access just strikes me as a lousy service - far too many commercials, even if you just want to rewind or fast-forward. There's a commercial-free option as well, but it's simply too expensive. Couple this with the upcoming DC Comics and Disney streaming services, and I'm gonna have to start choosing my investments more wisely. I wonder what has become of the Chris Pine movies, the alternate continuity seems to have been dropped in favor of the original. The new films exist in a parallel world, and they will continue unconnected to the TV shows. As we've seen from the MCU, it's really tough to get your films and TV franchises on the same page, even when they appear to exist in the same continuity.
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Post by Zarnium on Aug 5, 2018 6:17:23 GMT -8
Oh yeah, I remember now... Quentin Tarantino is supposed to be heading the next reboot movie. That should be interesting.
The reboot series gets a lot of ire, but I'm pretty ambivalent towards it. The first one was a pretty decent re-imagining of the original series that helped kick-start the franchise again, and the third one I liked quite a lot, it really had a classic Star Trek feel but wasn't drowning in nostalgia. One of the better films overall. The second one, I remember just being kind of "meh" and then was surprised to learn later how much people really hated it.
I tend not to be too harsh on sub-par Star Trek productions though, because the pre-reboot era had more than its fair share of missteps and crappy material. I figure if we've had "Spock's Brain," Star Trek V, TNG season 1, Insurrection, Nemesis, and 80% of Voyager already, it can't get any worse. And that's not counting Enterprise, which I still haven't bothered to see.
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 5, 2018 6:58:33 GMT -8
I admittedly haven't seen most of what's considered the "bad" Star Trek - never even watched Insurrection or Nemesis. So maybe maybe my expectations for the franchise are conditioned a little higher? (Also, maybe I should watch those films to prep for the new series.)
In any case, I hope the Picard series works out, especially since it's good to see Stewart get more work. His run as Professor Xavier has essentially wrapped, and I'd like to think his post-X-Men work would amount to more than just playing the poop emoji.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Aug 5, 2018 7:57:52 GMT -8
I admittedly haven't seen most of what's considered the "bad" Star Trek - never even watched Insurrection or Nemesis. So maybe maybe my expectations for the franchise are conditioned a little higher? (Also, maybe I should watch those films to prep for the new series.) In any case, I hope the Picard series works out, especially since it's good to see Stewart get more work. His run as Professor Xavier has essentially wrapped, and I'd like to think his post- X-Men work would amount to more than just playing the poop emoji. There's lots of bad Star Trek. Voyager is 'meh' pretty much the whole way through. The first two seasons of Enterprise were worse than anything Voyager did, but its final two were better than any Voyager season. So it's about on the same quality level-low. Plus, TOS and TNG are pretty inconsistent. DS9 is the only one of them that can really claim to be somewhat consistent. And even that threw in "The Muse", "Let He Who Is Without Sin...", "Profit and Lace", and "The Emperor's New Cloak" in what are arguably four of the best seasons of sci-fi tv ever.
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Star Trek
Aug 5, 2018 11:20:55 GMT -8
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Post by Zarnium on Aug 5, 2018 11:20:55 GMT -8
It would be good to watch at least Nemesis, since that one has some stuff regarding Data that might be relevant. Though I imagine you're already aware of it.
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 5, 2018 12:09:56 GMT -8
The only thing I really know about Nemesis is that it apparently launched Tom Hardy's career. Which tells me the film can't be a total loss.
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Star Trek
Aug 5, 2018 14:14:40 GMT -8
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Post by Zarnium on Aug 5, 2018 14:14:40 GMT -8
Oh, and if you want to familiarize yourself with Voyager just in case any guest stars show up, I can give you a list of above average or plot critical episodes to check out. (There aren't a lot.)
Probably the biggest draw is just that there are three Q episodes.
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Star Trek
Aug 5, 2018 15:52:20 GMT -8
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Post by ThirdMan on Aug 5, 2018 15:52:20 GMT -8
I thought that Quentin Tarantino Star Trek movie was just silly rumours, but it looks like there may be something to it. The weird thing is, he's stated in the past that he didn't want to be directing films in his 60s, and that he'd stop at ten. Given that he considers the Kill Bills one film, that would make his upcoming "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" number nine, and the Star Trek thing number ten. I think it's highly unlikely he'd finish his career with a Star Trek film. It's also weird that other screenwriters are supposedly working on it, as he usually writes his own screenplays.
I don't think it'll come to pass. But it seems as though Patrick Stewart would love to get in on it if it does...
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 5, 2018 16:25:26 GMT -8
The next film in the reboot series will be directed by SJ Clarkson (the lady who did the Jessica Jones pilot). Not sure if the Tarantino film will be part of the series, or a different film entirely. Oh, and if you want to familiarize yourself with Voyager just in case any guest stars show up, I can give you a list of above average or plot critical episodes to check out. (There aren't a lot.) Probably the biggest draw is just that there are three Q episodes. Sure, why not. I tried getting into Voyager a few years back, but didn't get very far. But I'm open to checking out a few of its less-reviled episodes.
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Post by Zarnium on Aug 6, 2018 14:23:45 GMT -8
My recommendations of important or especially good episodes, by order of air date:
1x01, "Caretaker:" The premier episode, might as well watch it if you haven't.
2x18, "Death Wish:" Q episode.
2x24, "The Thaw:" Probably the best episode of the series, comparable to some of the best episodes of TOS or TNG in tone and style.
3x02, "Flashback:" Voyager's 30th anniversary celebration of TOS, much like DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations."
3x05, "False Profits:" DS9 style "Ferengi episode," starring those two Ferengi who got lost in the Delta quadrant in TNG's "The Price."
3x11, "The Q and The Grey:" Q episode.
3x26/4x01, "Scorpion parts I and II:" Seven of Nine's origin.
6x02, "Blink of an Eye:" Another good one-off
7x19, "Q2:" Q episode.
7x25/26, "Endgame:" One of the worst finales I've ever seen, but if you've made it this far, you might as well see how it ends.
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 6, 2018 16:30:51 GMT -8
Thanks. I've seen the pilot (and, I believe, part of "Flashback"), but I'll carve out some time to check out the others. Hopefully, the Q episodes are better than "Qpid" or "Q-Less."
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Star Trek
Aug 6, 2018 16:43:25 GMT -8
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Post by Zarnium on Aug 6, 2018 16:43:25 GMT -8
I've always liked them, though others sometimes say they go too far in exploring the Q as a society and culture, making them less mysterious. Seeing other Q besides the "main" one was very rare in TNG, but there are several who get extensive screen time on Voyager.
There are also a lot of episodes involving the Borg, if you're curious, but most of them aren't all that great. They kind of rewrite a lot established Borg lore to turn them into generic robot-men.
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 6, 2018 16:52:47 GMT -8
Yeah, I've heard of Voyager's infamous reputation with the Borg. Still, it sounds like the franchise had nowhere to go with them but down - "The Best of Both Worlds" was a near-impossible bar to clear.
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