|
Post by ThirdMan on Aug 6, 2017 23:39:17 GMT -8
Downer Ending is quite the episode.
|
|
|
Post by Incandescence 112 on Aug 7, 2017 18:30:46 GMT -8
Downer Ending is quite the episode. If FV read this he'd give me shit, but the sequences in that episode are possibly the best drug/dream sequences ever.
|
|
|
Post by ThirdMan on Aug 7, 2017 19:53:56 GMT -8
They're pretty great. But anyone who's watched a ton of art films probably wouldn't make the assertion you just did.
|
|
|
Post by Incandescence 112 on Aug 7, 2017 20:39:14 GMT -8
They're pretty great. But anyone who's watched a ton of art films probably wouldn't make the assertion you just did. TV sequences. And you're correct, I haven't watched many artsy films. It was a bit of an exaggeration. Still, that part where he gets erased was extremely funny.
|
|
|
Post by ThirdMan on Aug 11, 2017 14:04:20 GMT -8
I'm about five episodes deep into Season 2. I can't believe that I didn't realize until now that Alison Brie was doing the voice of Vincent Adultman.
Also, after speaking with Jay re: his misgivings about Legion, I have to say, it really bugs that the other two kids under that trenchcoat don't have any agency.
|
|
|
Post by Jeremy on Aug 11, 2017 15:09:17 GMT -8
I mentioned this on the old forum, but I find Vincent Adultman to be the show's one major misfire. The character makes no sense, doesn't properly function either dramatically or comedically, and has no real personality to speak of. (All three of him.)
But the fact that he's the only part of the show that really bugs me should say something about the quality of the rest of the series.
|
|
|
Post by Incandescence 112 on Aug 11, 2017 15:13:28 GMT -8
I mentioned this on the old forum, but I find Vincent Adultman to be the show's one major misfire. The character makes no sense, doesn't properly function either dramatically or comedically, and has no real personality to speak of. (All three of him.) But the fact that he's the only part of the show that really bugs me should say something about the quality of the rest of the series. Seconded. Also, it goes on for waaaaaaaay too long. Almost a full season. I would have been okay with it if it had just been for one episode.
|
|
|
Post by ThirdMan on Aug 11, 2017 18:25:49 GMT -8
I don't love the character or anything, but I think it jibes alright with the absurdist nature of the show. I mean, with all the -- let's face it -- bestiality going on, someone having a relationship with three kids stacked in a trenchcoat doesn't seem that far out of left field.
|
|
|
Post by Jeremy on Aug 12, 2017 17:22:32 GMT -8
I think it would be funnier if the show clarified at some point that it was just three kids in a trenchcoat, because in a show where half the character are animals, I can't help wondering if it's one kid just standing atop a giraffe.
...Come to think of it, that would be hilarious.
|
|
|
Post by ThirdMan on Aug 12, 2017 19:10:36 GMT -8
The kids should switch positions and Sedaris's character should start dating a different top-third.
|
|
|
Post by ThirdMan on Aug 15, 2017 21:15:59 GMT -8
Though I can appreciate the ambition, I don't know that Fish out of Water conveys much more than "Bojack is depressed/feels empty inside and is desperately searching for some kind of personal connection, however fleeting."
Which is pretty much what every episode says.
|
|
|
Post by Jeremy on Aug 16, 2017 3:31:58 GMT -8
Dude, I thought you were supposed to be the one who cares more about visual ambition than about character!
|
|
|
Post by ThirdMan on Aug 16, 2017 10:54:01 GMT -8
I actually care about them just about equally. That you guys underestimate the character work on something like Legion (which I found very involving on that level) is another issue altogether.
And to be clear, I still think it's a strong episode of Bojack. I just wish it revealed more about the character, or was a more notable turning point for the show.
|
|
|
Post by Incandescence 112 on Aug 16, 2017 12:09:58 GMT -8
I actually care about them just about equally. That you guys underestimate the character work on something like Legion (which I found very involving on that level) is another issue altogether. And to be clear, I still think it's a strong episode of Bojack. I just wish it revealed more about the character, or was a more notable turning point for the show. The character work on Legion pales in comparison to Bojack Horseman. I'm open to arguments, but kinda halfway. Melanie and Oliver's relationship was a somewhat large portion of the season, but we know absolutely nothing about it. Dan Stevens is a likable performer, and Aubrey Plaza is amazing. But, on Legion, sometimes they just do really weird shit for the sake of it. The standout sequence of the season was that silent film bit, which came completely out of nowhere. I'm not saying it's style-over-substance, as it adds to the uncertainty that we're supposed to feel, but I definitely think it's less compelling.
|
|
|
Post by ThirdMan on Aug 16, 2017 13:52:57 GMT -8
Bojack is three seasons deep, and isn't playing around with what's real and what isn't. And I wasn't making the argument that the character work on Bojack was lesser, anyways. I was just speaking to Fish out of Water not really bringing anything new to the table, in terms of character or themes. Obviously it did in visual terms.
That said, while I generally like the Bojack cast, halfway through Season 3 I think they're dragging most of the story arcs out beyond the breaking point. It's one thing to be depressed/feeling empty, but it's another thing to continually state that to others, which, IMO, gets tedious in a hurry. Brie's character should've been divorced by now. Todd is as static as characters come, and the writers really strain for effect with him. Most of the animal-related humour feels shallow and random.
Which is all to say, while it's certainly one of the better animated shows on the air, if I was really THAT engrossed in its stories, I would've been through it by now, but it feels like a bit of a chore at times, and I'm only watching two or three eps at a time.
|
|