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Post by Incandescence 112 on Jul 10, 2017 10:10:56 GMT -8
is coming back September 8th!......That's too much (waiting) man!
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 10, 2017 15:04:36 GMT -8
Oh, we should be used to prolonged TV hiatuses by now.
(I'm lying. I WANT MY BOJACK.)
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Jul 10, 2017 18:28:00 GMT -8
Oh, we should be used to prolonged TV hiatuses by now. (I'm lying. I WANT MY BOJACK.)Didn't Sarah Lynn have a drug called Bojack? lol. ALso, this summer officially sucks. Bla.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Jul 10, 2017 18:28:38 GMT -8
Oh, we should be used to prolonged TV hiatuses by now. (I'm lying. I WANT MY BOJACK.)This summer officially sucks. Season 4 better be the best one yet.
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Post by Jeremy on Jul 10, 2017 20:11:17 GMT -8
I'm eagerly awaiting the back half of August, what with Broad City, The Tick, The Defenders, and Halt and Catch Fire. Until then, summer TV is a pretty dry well.
Incidentally, the timing of this announcement is quite fitting. Tomorrow is a religious fast day, which means I'm not allowed to eat or drink anything until sundown. Typically, this is rather difficult (since it's midsummer and the days are so long), so I usually try to pass the time by binge-watching serialized animated dramas. (For some reason, those are the easiest shows for me to binge-watch.)
Last year, I spent the day watching the complete third season of Bojack. (This year, for those wondering, I'm probably going to try the complete final season of X-Men: Evolution.)
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Post by bean32 on Jul 16, 2017 16:02:46 GMT -8
Started watching Bojack on a red-eye flight last month. Then finished it within the next week. The most binging I've done in awhile. I felt a little bad about myself, but the show is so good. I can't wait for season 4. The last scene in season 3 was beautiful.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Jul 16, 2017 18:41:40 GMT -8
Started watching Bojack on a red-eye flight last month. Then finished it within the next week. The most binging I've done in awhile. I felt a little bad about myself, but the show is so good. I can't wait for season 4. The last scene in season 3 was beautiful. Welcome to the fold . I lost count of how many times I thought to myself 'Damn this show is sad', while also laughing really hard at other points-it's really the perfect tragicomedy.
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Post by ThirdMan on Aug 1, 2017 14:50:25 GMT -8
I don't have Netflix, but I've decided to watch this by....other means.
Anyways, as I already saw the pilot ages ago, I watched episode two last night, and may barrel through a bunch of them this week. I liked the show right from the beginning, but where, in your guys' estimation, does it hit its creative stride? Towards the end of the Season 1?
I also wonder about the animation. Because as much as I enjoy the humor and dialogue of the series, I'm pretty lukewarm on the animation style. Mind you, the same could be said of Rick and Morty, though to a lesser degree there. Does the Bojack animation get more detailed over time?
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 1, 2017 15:00:44 GMT -8
I think I'm with most people in saying that the show hits its stride around episode 7 or 8. And it's only gotten better since then.
The animation style remains pretty much the way it is, but the show finds ways to make the seemingly limited movements work to its advantage. You'll see what I mean as it starts to get more serious.
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Post by Zarnium on Aug 1, 2017 15:36:04 GMT -8
Anyways, as I already saw the pilot ages ago, I watched episode two last night, and may barrel through a bunch of them this week. I liked the show right from the beginning, but where, in your guys' estimation, does it hit its creative stride? Towards the end of the Season 1? Episode 8, "The Telescope," is often considered to be where the show really starts going. I would not say that any of the earlier episodes are bad or unsatisfying, but "The Telescope" is where the show reveals the true depth of the emotional and social themes it intends to present. As for the animation, it stays that way for the whole show, and I certainly don't think it's bad, per se. As Jeremy says, the show makes it work pretty well. That said, while I would prefer that shows like Bojack Horseman and Rick and Morty had a more fluid and varied animation style, I think that part of the reason why they're like that is because the art and animation is done in-house by Americans who work directly under the creative team, and they aren't outsourced. The dark secret of the animation industry is that the "in-between" animation (i.e, the final visuals that we actually see) of a lot of animated shows and movies are outsourced to large Asian studios that treat their workers very poorly and pay them very little. This allows for American shows to have very fluid and detailed animation in a short timeframe on an affordable budget. Doing animation in-house avoids the moral quandaries (and has various other pros as well), but because it's more expensive, the animation tends to feature reusable digital assets that are copy-pasted and posed in each scene, rather than each frame being drawn individually. This results in the somewhat stilted motion and non-varied art that you see in Bojack, compared to the very fluid and dynamic art you see in, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender. So, while I don't really like the Bojack or Rick and Morty animation style all that well, I can at least watch it with a clear conscience. Outsourcing is not universally terrible, and I always hope that my favorite shows that outsource do so with teams that are given decent working conditions, but there's not really a way to know for sure in most cases. Sorry to be a bummer, but whenever I see someone complain about this, I feel compelled to point out that there's more to consider than just the content of the finished product and whether it looks as good as it could. Plus, I'm sure Jeremy knows way more about this than I do, so I'll defer to him something I've said is incorrect.
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Post by Incandescence 112 on Aug 1, 2017 16:12:26 GMT -8
I don't have Netflix, but I've decided to watch this by....other means.
Anyways, as I already saw the pilot ages ago, I watched episode two last night, and may barrel through a bunch of them this week. I liked the show right from the beginning, but where, in your guys' estimation, does it hit its creative stride? Towards the end of the Season 1?
I also wonder about the animation. Because as much as I enjoy the humor and dialogue of the series, I'm pretty lukewarm on the animation style. Mind you, the same could be said of Rick and Morty, though to a lesser degree there. Does the Bojack animation get more detailed over time? I second Zarnium. It's episode 8, "The Telescope". It transforms from an awkward sitcom about a horse-man (I'm sticking to that. More horse than a man.) to a genuinely dark character study about a horse-man. In other words, from a comedy to a dramedy.
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 1, 2017 16:21:06 GMT -8
Zarnium's points about the animation used in American vs. Asian studios are correct. Admittedly, I don't know a lot about the working conditions in Asian studios, so I can only hope they treat their workers fairly.
There's actually a famous Simpsons couch gag (designed by Banksy, of all people) that parodies the idea of The Simpsons being animated in Korean sweatshops. AKOM, the studio that animates The Simpsons (and a whole slew of other famous animated series) insisted that the portrayal was unfair, and that their workers are far better treated than the scene indicates. So you can make of that what you will. (They still animated the episode.)
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Post by ThirdMan on Aug 1, 2017 20:07:14 GMT -8
Fair enough, re: the animation quality utilizing the different markets. But I was speaking more to the style rather than the fluidity. That said, Rick and Morty is actually pretty detailed given those limitations you mentioned.
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Post by ThirdMan on Aug 4, 2017 16:37:49 GMT -8
So, I accidentally skipped from episode four to episode seven in Season 1, and then tried to watch episode five, but the stream kept stalling on me, so I just went and watched episode eight, The Telescope. Yeah, you can definitely see the show turning a corner at that point.
One thing I'm not impressed with: Aaron Paul's work on the show. He just doesn't have a very expressive voice, and I find most of his line readings really awkward and ineffectual, even for a lazy stoner character. It could just be that I've never found him to be a particularly strong actor, decent-enough work on Breaking Bad notwithstanding.
Anyways, I'm definitely interested in the show going forward (my attention was starting to wander during the earlier episodes), and will just continue on with the last handful of Season 1 eps this weekend. I should be caught up by the time Season 4 premieres.
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Post by Zarnium on Aug 5, 2017 16:19:39 GMT -8
One thing I'm not impressed with: Aaron Paul's work on the show. He just doesn't have a very expressive voice, and I find most of his line readings really awkward and ineffectual, even for a lazy stoner character. It could just be that I've never found him to be a particularly strong actor, decent-enough work on Breaking Bad notwithstanding. I always liked Aaron Paul on Bojack, but that might just be because I'm amused by the fact that Todd is like a lazy Jesse Pinkman than because of his talent.
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