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Post by otherscott on May 25, 2018 6:55:14 GMT -8
I'm still confused as to why they changed the format. They've purposely taken the award from something where voters are at least sent episodes and encouraged to watch all the nominated shows in question and determine for themselves which is the best, to something where people are voting only having watched Game of Thrones and maybe another show or two of the nominees.
The only reasons I can think of: 1) The people in industry voting on these awards just are too busy and can't be bothered with the time it takes to watch 30 episodes worth of Emmy nominated shows. 2) The increased serialization has meant that sending out 5 episodes no longer makes sense, as the voters will be increasingly confused what is happening in those 5 episodes without the proper context of the rest of the show/ season.
Anyways, we learned last year that at the very least HBO can be defeated - I'm just not sure there's an actual legitimate contender that got anywhere near the buzz of Game of Thrones. I've heard almost nothing about The Handmaid's Tale since it debuted so that is seeming more and more like a one season phenomenon based on the social and cultural messages it was sending, and additional seasons won't carry that same freshness of commentary (this is kind of what befell Orange is the New Black after its first season).
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Post by Jeremy on May 25, 2018 10:08:48 GMT -8
The Emmys seem to adjust their rules every 5-10 years, presumably to be compatible with the changing nature of television. I think that Peak TV has impacted the way a lot of voters think about television, which is why the voting restrictions have loosened so.
There will undoubtedly be some new entries this year - Better Call Saul, Veep, Master of None, and (ugh) House of Cards are all off the table. Maybe The Deuce or Better Things will crack the Series categories. (And maybe, just maybe... Modern Family will be left out.)
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Post by ThirdMan on May 25, 2018 16:10:39 GMT -8
I was briefly confused as to why you guys were talking about Game of Thrones' Emmy chances, because I was like, "Season 8 doesn't premiere until 2019." Then I remembered that Season 7 fell outside of the previous Emmys' eligibility window. Man, it seems like forever since that aired.
As for The Handmaid's Tale, I just don't know how much suffering the average viewer, or voter, would want to endure. I mean, it's well-acted and has strong cinematography, but it's constantly walking the line of being misery porn, especially in the sections involving Alexis Bledel's character being worked to death.
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Post by Jeremy on May 26, 2018 18:26:54 GMT -8
Yeah, the Emmy eligibility period runs from June to May, so Game of Thrones S7 is eligible for this year. Twin Peaks: The Return (which also aired a lifetime ago) is similarly eligible this year, and will probably rack up a bunch of Limited Series nominations.
Even without Game of Thrones in the running, I'd be hesitant to claim that Handmaid's Tale could score a repeat win. Despite the show's continued acclaim, it feels very much like a cultural flash-in-the-pan victory (like the respective first seasons of Lost or Homeland), and also seems a little too depressing to rack up repeat wins.
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Post by Quiara on May 26, 2018 19:07:44 GMT -8
Despite the show's continued acclaim, it feels very much like a cultural flash-in-the-pan victory (like the respective first seasons of Lost or Homeland), and also seems a little too depressing to rack up repeat wins. Isn't this kind of a rarity? I'm so much more used to award shows giving the win to mediocre efforts by accomplished people who they recognize should have won in previous years-- Guillermo del Toro finally winning the Oscar for the inessential The Shape of Water, for instance, or Star Trek: the Next Generation getting the Emmy nod in its final (and worst-ish) season. Even the Pulitzer isn't immune-- basically everyone agrees Kendrick Lamar won this year for his previous body of work, not for DAMN., to say nothing of Ornette Coleman winning some thirty years after he did anything relevant. I also think we're a bit removed from the #RESIST #NOTMYPRESIDENT stuff that was compulsory for Hollywood in 2017, which is much appreciated, but also really hurts The Handmaid's Tale's chances. (Not to mention that it's presumably completely rudderless now that they're just winging it off the source material.) And not that all that was bad or anything, since I doubt, e.g., "San Junipero" would have won otherwise (which it should have!) (Incidentally, if you told me back in 2010 that Troy from Community would be the most important cultural force in America, I would have doubted you.)
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Post by Jeremy on May 26, 2018 20:36:40 GMT -8
Isn't this kind of a rarity? I'm so much more used to award shows giving the win to mediocre efforts by accomplished people who they recognize should have won in previous years-- Guillermo del Toro finally winning the Oscar for the inessential The Shape of Water, for instance, or Star Trek: the Next Generation getting the Emmy nod in its final (and worst-ish) season. Even the Pulitzer isn't immune-- basically everyone agrees Kendrick Lamar won this year for his previous body of work, not for DAMN., to say nothing of Ornette Coleman winning some thirty years after he did anything relevant. Plenty of Emmy winners have been first-season shows, some of which then go on to win in future seasons. The Emmys have a habit of gravitating toward new series, since they tend to capture the cultural conversation. (That Star Trek example is really unusual, and I still can't wrap my head around it.) Of course, the problem is that once a show gets into the nominating pool, it tends to get stuck there, which may deny newer shows a chance for a while. This is how I explain why shows like Friday Night Lights and The Americans took so long to get nominated - they're not super-popular shows, and awards attention was always being diverted to bigger things.
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Post by ThirdMan on Sept 8, 2018 19:19:19 GMT -8
Hey, Rick and Morty won Outstanding Animated Program at the Creative Arts Emmys (why this one award couldn't be handed out at the main ceremony, I'll never understand). And I think it won for Pickle Rick!
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 9, 2018 8:11:33 GMT -8
If i could vie for just one Creative Arts category to be moved to the main ceremony, it would be Outstanding Animated Program. I think a lot of Emmy voters still think of it as a "kids" category, but nearly every winner in the past decade has been for an adult animated series (South Park, Bob's Burgers, now Rick and Morty). Time for that perception to change.
Still, congrats to "Pickle Rick" for upsetting its heavy-hitting competition. And to Black Mirror for winning the Best TV Movie award for the second year in a row.
If these early awards are any indication, it looks like Game of Thrones will easily beat The Handmaid's Tale in this year's top Drama category. Atlanta is the strongest contender for Best Comedy, although I'd still give Marvelous Mrs. Maisel the chance of an upset.
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Post by ThirdMan on Sept 9, 2018 16:55:56 GMT -8
That reminds me: I've got to get around to watching those two Black Mirror episodes. After I'm done with Season 2 of Stranger Things (heh), I guess.
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 17, 2018 9:23:17 GMT -8
Didn't have the time or motivation to do a full piece, but here's my Emmy predictions for some of the major categories:
Outstanding Drama
Will Win: Game of Thrones Could Win: The Handmaid's Tale
Outstanding Comedy
Will Win: Atlanta Could Win: The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel
Outstanding Limited Series
Will Win: The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story Could Win: Genius: Picasso
Outstanding Lead Actor in a Comedy Series
Will Win: Donald Glover, Atlanta Could Win: Bill Hader, Barry
Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series
Will Win: Rachel Brosnahan, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel Could Win: Allison Janney, Mom
Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series
Will Win: Matthew Rhys, The Americans Could Win: Sterling K. Brown, This Is Us
Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series
Will Win: Elisabeth Moss, The Handmaid's Tale Could Win: Tatiana Maslany, Orphan Black
Outstanding Variety Sketch Series
Will Win: Saturday Night Live Could Win: Literally nothing else
I'm hoping at least half of these turn out to be correct. But don't go betting too much on my picks. (On the other hand, if you do make money off my predictions, please be sure to send me some of it.)
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Post by otherscott on Sept 18, 2018 6:28:26 GMT -8
The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel over Atlanta is just sort of odd, right? Atlanta is on the bigger network, has the better critical reception, and is more zeitgeisty. I'm not actually sure what advantage Maisel would have to give it the win, maybe it's less weird and easier to categorize as a comedy?
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 18, 2018 6:54:48 GMT -8
The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel is exactly the kind of show that the Academy loves. It celebrates the nostalgic 1950s, it's centered on show business, and it's unapologetically Jewish without being religious.
I was expecting Atlanta to win Best Comedy due to all the diversity talk (up to and including the show's opening number), but I can understand how Maisel took the gold. And while it's not as great as Atlanta, it's still a very good show, and I'm glad to see Amy Sherman-Palladino finally get some Emmy love.
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 18, 2018 9:04:33 GMT -8
I wrote some detailed thoughts about last night's Emmy Awards, which benefited from surprising victories but suffered from unfunny jokes and an unexpectedly haphazard "diversity" message.
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 20, 2019 13:59:43 GMT -8
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Post by Quiara on Sept 22, 2019 18:59:37 GMT -8
You got a lot of these wrong, buddy.
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